Your new movie The Hit
- in a few words, what is it about?
In
literal terms, it’s about a hard-hearted hit woman who falls in love
with her suicidal mark. If you go beyond the superficial plot, it’s
really about how we can be our own worst enemies as a result of the
seemingly minor choices we make.
Basic question, why
make a hitwoman the lead character of your movie? And was The
Hit at all inspired by other hitwoman flicks? When
it comes to fiction, I’m drawn to murder and mayhem since it gives me an
opportunity to explore all the stuff that I couldn’t and wouldn’t do
in real life. It’s cathartic and also a ripe arena for comedy. But
metaphorically, I think there’s something interesting about a person who
plays God, but with cash dividends. A hitwoman is so much more fascinating
than a hitman. Men are historically more aggressive so it’s less
surprising. I love a female character who’s kickass. And there’s more
curiosity about how she came to her profession. Of course, I try to answer
that rather glibly, but I think that adds to her dimensionality. I do love
the fact that there’s a whole genre of hitwoman films and television
from Prizzi’s Honor to Killing Eve, and I’ve seen most of them.
Unconsciously, I’m sure I was influenced. When I’m writing, however, I
let the characters tell me what they’re going to do. (Other)
sources of inspiration when writing The
Hit?
Honestly,
when I was writing this, my thoughts were strictly about the characters…
why are they the way they are, and how does that move the story forward or
backward or to the side. On top of that, add thirty plus years of
internalized cinematic, literary and pop culture absorption that I bring
to the table.
The
one movie I turned to as a reference was The Mechanic with Charles
Bronson. He’s a hitman for hire and I just wanted to get a flavor of his
jobs, which, because it was the 70’s, seemed much less complicated.
My
original opening scene was a very elaborate poisoning at a coffee shop,
where my lead character was disguised as a barista; once she delivers the
doped java to her mark, she takes a break, despite a long line of people
waiting. She strides through the back room where the other baristas are
bound and gagged and exits out into an alley where she removes her costume
to reveal her business attire. She walks around the corner just in time to
see her mark gurgling to death on the sidewalk out front. But budget and
time precluded that. It would work for the feature.
You call The
Hit a "cromage noir" - could you at all explain that
term?
It’s
kind of a joke. The idea is that I was blending so many different genres
together and giving homage to them… so if you break it down, it’s a
crime-romance-comedy-noir… and it’s also a little cheesy, so if
you’re French or French Canadian, it is like a ripe fromage (aka
cheese). Maybe it’s more of a choke? [cheesy joke?] To what extent could you actually identify with
Marcy Frumpkin in your movie? And with Norman Winter for that matter?
I
identify with both of them: Marcy takes her inability to value herself in
relationships and acts out in, let’s say, anti-social ways. And she also
has a bad romantic track record where she wasn’t able to value who she
is. Norman’s a cranky guy who hates himself. Come to think of it, there
isn’t a character in the film who I don’t identify with. I think
I’ve been all of them… except maybe the guy whose car is stolen…
that guy is a complete jerk.
[NOTE
TO INTERVIEWER: Jason A. White plays the guy whose car is stolen.]
What
can you tell us about The Hit's
brand of comedy?
I
like to think it goes from slow-build to “kitchen sink”. You start off
intrigued, there’s an opening that has a bit of visual irony: the girl
scout with a gun, and then the jokes, mostly visual, start to come more
rapidly until they reach an absurd pitch (especially in the “falling in
love” montage). It’s not freewheeling and random humor. It’s very
much on story with these two people doing what they do and that being the
source of the humor. So, it is character-based. The montage is pure parody
(though I don’t think it’s remotely possible to make a serious montage
anymore). I used it deliberately, complete with green screen and fake
looking background plates, as I needed to shorthand their escalating
relationship. I was playing with the convention of it.
The
humor is certainly not sophisticated, but I’m proud that I didn’t
resort to bathroom humor, which can be hilarious… but can also be too
cheap, easy and unfunny if you don’t build up to it, the way the
Farrelly Brothers do.
A few words about your directorial
approach to your story at hand?
I
was trying to be as artful as possible. There’s an understood rule that
comedy needs to be brightly lit and should be in wide shots so you can see
the actors’ bodies and their language. And that’s mostly true,
especially if you’re working with a great physical comedian.
That
being said, I wanted the visuals to pop and be thematic, revealing to the
audience who these characters are. Our lead, Marcy, is deep down a lonely
person. I wanted to isolate her in shots or show how removed she is from
her own vulnerability. The times when she does share the screen (before
falling in love), the characters are either dead, about to die, or
there’s lots of space between her and them. I created a lookbook for my
DP that included Edward Hopper paintings and frames from Antonioni’s Red
Desert and Godard’s Contempt. Once the two leads fall in love, they come
directly toward us and then they’re shot more classically, where
they’re both in frame and their close ups and reverse shots. I was
hoping that it would play on the audience’s subconscious.
As
a director, you have to get all departments on board to enhance the theme,
and I think I fomented an atmosphere where everyone could summon up their
creativity in service to the story. Costumes and make-up, in particular,
are instrumental in helping create character arc, just watch any Hitchcock
film. My directions to them were all about Marcy’s character – she’s
uptight in the beginning, controlled hair, gray and black clothing, but
when she falls in love, her hair becomes softer, her clothes become
lighter and floral. It’s not exactly subtle, but it’s on point. And
you make the connection between her and Norman to her with his clothes.
When they meet, they’re both symphonies of gray, black, and white.
It’s their outlook on life, until they get together, then their outfits
get sunnier.
Do talk about The
Hit's cast, and why exactly these people?
I
hedged my bets. I didn’t have a lot of experience directing actors, but
I knew most all of these folks and thought if I could work with friends,
it wouldn’t be so awkward if I didn’t know what I was doing. But more
importantly, I knew I could rely on their abilities.
I’d
met Hilary Barraford (Marcy) [Hilary
Barraford interview - click here] through friends a few years back and was struck at her
projected strength. I knew she was prolific, but I was always disappointed
to see that she was not centerstage in her feature films. When I was
writing, I envisioned her as the lead and I thought this would be a fun
opportunity to showcase her talents as well as giving me the chance to
work with her.
Matthew Rochelau (Norman) I knew tangentially from my years studying improv. He has this
look that cuts so many ways – sitcom dad/everyman/sad sack/potential
psycho killer – and the skill to switch in and out of those characters
seamlessly. Plus, he’s a good contrast to Hilary.
Craig Cackowski (Client) was one of my improv instructors and he’s a genius improviser
himself. He’s been on so many different TV shows, including Veep and
Curb Your Enthusiasm. I knew he would bring a lot to his role. I’m sad
that I didn’t use him more or highlight his talents. I actually cut out
a small bit of business that he did that was hilarious, but I am ruthless
in editing.
The
ex-boyfriend is another actor I did improv with, and I also cast one of my
best friends and her husband, neither of whom are professional actors, in
separate roles, because I knew they could deliver. It was a dream to work
with all of them, especially with little to no rehearsal. It was a rare
instance to have more than three takes and then, it was only because I was
unsure.
What
can you tell us about the shoot as such, and the on-set atmosphere?
I
felt like I was high. I was so happy to be there and working with a great
crew and great actors. If
anything, I was probably the most superfluous person on set. I definitely
had a one-way love affair with my DP, Ilya. I say one-way, because he’s
intensely focused on the camera and lighting to get the best-looking shot.
His work and inventiveness was brilliant. Though I’d storyboarded the
entire thing with my very crude drawings, there was one scene I stumbled
over because it had to convey so much information. Ilya came up with a
brilliant one-shot solution and it’s my favorite one in the film… when
Norman walks down the street.
We
crammed a lot into three days. It was ambitious, what with eleven
locations. I know I made many mistakes, but for a first directorial
effort, I think my team and I accomplished what we set out to do.
The
$64-question of course, where can The
Hit be seen? Right now it’s
available at https://www.lashortsfest.com/comedy-program3
or at https://youtu.be/q1VI8-E6fCk – still part of
LA Shorts,
but you can thumbs up or thumbs down it or write a comment and I can see
who’s seen it.
I’m
currently doing the festival circuit before I try to sell it to one of the
many potential streaming outlets.
Anything you can tell us about
audience and critical reception of The
Hit yet?
It’s
very bittersweet that I finished the film and the pandemic hit which
precludes my being able to see it with an audience. On one level, it saves
me from breaking out in flop sweat during the screening, but, too, I
don’t get to hear if and when people are laughing, which is incredibly
helpful for a comedy writer and director.
In
terms of audience feedback, well, friends, family and acquaintances seem
to like it – they think it’s very indicative of me as a person, which
I take as a compliment. But I got a great review from you and very nice
review from another on-line publication. I meant it to be entertaining and
cinematic… I think it succeeds on those two levels. If I made a perfect
film, or thought I did, I’d have to kill myself. I mean, where do you go
after perfection?
Any future projects you'd like to
share?
I’m
gearing up for my next short, which is a family mystery (a fystery? Or a
firstery?). A young girl discovers her cat has been murdered and realizes
one of her immediate family members did it; now she has to figure out who
and why. I think everything I write is ultimately comedy… even the
serious stuff.
I
have a couple of features I’m rewriting and a TV-series I’m pitching,
based on a children’s book character that I created. So, that’s some
stuff.
What got you into filmmaking in the first place,
and did you receive any formal training on the subject?
The
training I got was sitting in movie theaters from age six til the
pandemic. My parents made the mistake of taking me to the Old Post Office
Cinema in East Hampton, New York to see a
Marx Brothers movie, and I was
hooked from then on. I was a devotee of all sorts of movies, especially
the international arthouse ones that played the great revival houses that
used to populate New York City. I still remember double features – like
Knife in the Water and Les Diaboliques (at Carnegie Hall
Cinema)
and Blithe Spirit and Kind Hearts and
Coronets (at the Regency). [The
latter film definitely informed The
Hit in its somewhat cavalier attitude
towards murder.]
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I
studied English and Film Theory in college, where I co-founded a
filmmaking club, though I only made one Super 8mm movie at the time. After
school, I went into production, working as a PA on low-budget movies and
an occasional TV-show. I ended up being an apprentice sound editor on a
horror film, back when you edited on a Steenbeck. I took a job in script
development, as writing was always my interest, but moved from there into
Documentary Programming at HBO. I kept taking jobs that were time
consuming and parallel to what I actually wanted to do. After moving from
New York to Austin, TX, then out to LA, I managed to get some writing work
in advertising and on TV. I got to work with people I never imagined I
would work with, but not being the creator of any of the shows is, in the
long run, kind of frustrating. So I dove into something bite-sized wherein
I could be the one who makes the ultimate decisions. Creating The
Hit has
been so incredibly fulfilling. But like many a drug, it has left me
wanting to do more. Now I’ve got to work like hell to make that happen
and I’m game for it.
What
can you tell us about your filmwork prior to The
Hit? I
wrote and co-wrote a couple of shorts, and I directed a no-budget music
video, which had me throwing cooked and sauced spaghetti at the band. When
I put the camera down, they threw it back at me. I also co-wrote a feature
that had both Eric Roberts and Seymour Cassell in it. I was not the
progenitor of that film. I came in to try to clean it up. How would you describe yourself as a
director? I
know a lot about cinema. And I know about story. And I know what makes me
laugh. I like when people know more about something than I do, so I can
learn from them. And I like collaboration a great deal. It’s lonely
sitting in front of my computer writing. Filmmakers who inspire you? Old
and new, I can give you a laundry list: Preston
Sturges, Buster Keaton [Buster
Keaton bio - click here], Ernst Lubitsch, Anthony Mann, Luis Buñuel, Samuel
Fuller, Tex Avery, Lynne Ramsey, Bi Gan – (whose film Long Day’s
Journey Into Night blew me away), Barry Jenkins, Alejandro Landes, Yorgos
Lanthimos, Catherine Breillat, David Fincher, Pedro Almodovar,
Park Chan-wook… I mean, I could go on. I’m really a full on film geek, trying to
make my way through the films I’ve never seen, while cozying up to the
comfort ones. It was only in the last ten years or so that I got into
westerns, of which, as a kid, I liked very few. My friend, who gets the
final thank you credit in my film, and I have a game we play: name a
director who’s made three great films in a row. It’s obviously very
subjective, but surprisingly difficult. I think Kubrick and Buster Keaton
hit the mark… the rest are debatable.
Your
favourite movies?
They
change dramatically with mood and age. But if I were stuck on a desert
island, I’d definitely want to laugh a lot and be absorbed in something
to forget about my troubles, so my tastes go to more nostalgic comfort
films e.g.: Love and Death (which could be an alternate title to my
short), Groundhog Day, Sherlock
Jr., Horse
Feathers, Breaking Away, The Bandwagon, It’s Always Fair
Weather, Nashville, Kind Hearts and
Coronets, Winchester ’73, Rules of the Game, 2001,
The Heartbreak Kid
(1972), Let the Right One
In, The Lady Eve, Nights of Cabiria and Repo
Man. But
thinking about that scenario, I doubt I’d have electricity on a desert
island, let alone a TV, Blu-ray player, or computer…
... and of course, films you really
deplore?
Film
is my religion, so when I go into a theater or start to watch something on
TV, the only expectation I have is that I’m somehow changed by the movie
– whether it’s amused, provoked, or emotionally affected. When that
doesn’t happen, I used to get angry. Now I use it as a learning
experience, trying to see what that filmmaker did wrong, where the misstep
was, if there was only one. It’s very analytic but it’s helpful. I
think you can learn more from a bad movie than a good one, because what
makes a good movie is magical alchemy. But it’s tricky to judge a film
by seeing it only once. When I saw Once Upon a Time in Hollywood the first
time, I absolutely hated it… but I was expecting something other than
what the movie was, which is a buddy, mood piece. I knew the acting was
good, but I was looking for plot! When I saw it the second time, I loved
it.
That
being said, I’d be happy to name check some movies I hate off the
record. But as I’m really starting out as a director, I feel like it’s
bad karma to publicly denounce work by people who’ve put a lot of effort
into stuff that many people enjoy. Though I can tell you, I prefer
personal movies to tentpole blockbusters.
But
I admit to liking some genuinely crappy movies, like the 1967 Casino
Royale. It is a lumbering elephant of a flick, with five directors and as
many (or more) screenwriters. Tonally and storywise, it’s a mess. But I
saw it as a kid, and it imprinted on me.
Your/your movie's website, social media,
whatever else?
You
can find the film and my info at: www.thejasonawhite.com
Instagram:
@thehitshort
Twitter:
@TheHitshort
Facebook:
@thehitshortmovie
Hashtag:
#TheHitShort
Anything else you're dying to mention and
I have merely forgotten to ask? Well,
we didn’t talk about editing, which took more than the three days we
shot the movie. I told both my editor and producer that, even though it
was an eleven page script, I wanted the film to be the length of a Bugs
Bunny cartoon, which is around seven minutes. If I can impart any words of
wisdom on your readers or future comedy filmmakers, let me just say, if
you can’t be funny, be brief. That’s a credo I live by in art and in
life… though the answers to these questions seem to belie that. I’m
relying on you to edit out the dross. Thanks for the
interview! Thanks
for your time and for really capturing the essence of what I was trying to
do with the film.
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