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An Interview with Ché Baker, Co-Director of Blue World Order

by Mike Haberfelner

January 2018

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On the surface, it’s like Mad Max cross Star Wars, but Blue World Order is, at its heart, a story about family and what’s dear to us. It asks about how much of our freedoms do we give up for our security. It’s a common question and one that’s back in the news again today. Does the end justify the means? I wanted people to walk away from this and see both points of view and maybe wonder if our ‘heroes’ were right or wrong


As far as I know, Blue World Order is based on a short of yours of the same title from 2012 - so do talk about that short and its relation to your feature for a bit!


In 2012, co-director Dallas Bland and I made a short for a 48hour filmmaking competition. It turned out pretty well (you can see it here: From that we knew we had a much bigger story to tell. We expanded the idea into a TV series, then pulled the first couple of episodes of that back into a feature. I wrote the novel version and tailored the story to fit into my Rule series of novels - (The Rule of Knowledge - The film only scrapes the surface of a much bigger universe, but is a very complete story on its own, whilst hinting at what’s to come.


With Blue World Order being a post apocalyptic science fiction film, is that a genre at all dear to you, and some of your genre favourites?


Blue World Order was designed to show off the locations around my home town of Canberra in Australia. I wanted to show that we could make any kind of film here, and not just political thrillers (Canberra is Australia’s capital city).  Virtually every location on-screen is within 15 minutes drive of each other. One of the great things about shooting in Canberra is we get a huge variety of locations in a small area, so it’s great ‘bang for buck’ on screen.  The environment lent itself to this kind of story - and I’d obviously had the influence of things like Star Wars and Mad Max growing up.

I love good stories more than any particular genre. That being said, speculative fiction and science fiction are certainly the things that peak my interest!


To what extent could you actually identify with your movie's hero Jake - or any of the other characters for that matter? Or to put it another way, how would you react in a situation similar to the one in Blue World Order?


I have been fortunate to have travelled a lot when I was younger. The thing I learned is that the ‘norms’ that you take for granted can be completely different when you go to another country. By extension, I can imagine with great detail what would happen today if the rules, the society we take for granted were wiped out. We rely so much on electricity and technology - it’s not hard to see how much things would change if all that tech were wiped out.

The part of the world we see in the Blue World Order film is a tiny glimpse at a much bigger world. It’s a place where the rules of society have crumbled, and yet there are those who seek to reinforce those rules, even if it’s by dubious means. 

If I were in Jake’s shoes, I think I’d miss coffee a lot! Jake survives because he has a sense of purpose, he has to protect Molly - I think if I knew what we know at the end of the film, I’d survive because I’d have a sense of purpose. The hardest thing for people when you take away the framework of society is to know why they’re actually trying to survive. What’s the point? I’m sure I’d do okay once I learned what the real situation was…


You of course have to talk about the effects work in your movie for a bit!


We did as much of the effects practically as we could, to show off the environments we had, but it was great to do something with LASERS! My twelve year old self would be super excited! We actually have a laser-tag franchise based on the film and it’s story -

The visual effects in Blue World Order were all done by talented freelancers. In a more wholistic sense I wanted the film to be a vehicle for a VFX graduates to give them a solid feature credit.


Do talk about your directorial approach to your subject at hand?


The original idea for Blue World Order was to make the film in a way to mirror the story. You know, hand-held, using only what we could salvage, it was a real ‘run and gun’ approach to give the sense of being there - almost docu style. As the film progressed however, it grew. Because we did it all independently, I could make decisions as we went along. I wasn’t locked into anything. I could evolve as we went… so things like the car chase, laser battle, etc. could be added to give a new sense of scale to the project. 

At its core, the film is about the people. It’s not about the fight for example, it’s about the guys IN the fight, so I wanted to make sure we cared about the characters and their motivation, because at the end of the day, if you don’t care about WHO it's all happening to, none of the rest of it matters.

The film starts tight and small, all about Jake’s world and his small concern - but it grows from there. As Jake discovers and comes to learn about a larger world, the scope of the shots and storytelling also expands to big sweeping plains and wider shots.


Do talk about your key cast, and why exactly these people?


Our cast are fantastic. The lead role of Jake Slater (played by myself in the short) called for someone who could not only carry off the raw determination of a father protecting his child, but also have the physical martial arts skills for what was going to be a highly physical role. I had known Jake Ryan for many years, we used to fight together on the Tae Kwon Do circuit and I knew he was the perfect fit. 

Stephen Hunter was always going to be Madcap. I was working with Stephen on the set of The Hobbit, and saw what a talented actor he was. Even though he didn’t speak while playing Bombur, I recognised that he was the perfect counterpoint to Jake, the perfect partner. Stephen has great comic timing, and the intelligence to play Madcap - a slightly unhinged but brilliant scientist who’s a key figure in the resistance.

The role of Jake’s mentor, Master Crane, required someone with real gravitas - but who also had the ability to play a little unhinged in his wisdom. I’d been a long time fan of Billy Zane, particularly in an old Tales from the Crypt film called Demon Knight. I had actually bonded with Billy many years earlier over karaoke when I was working on a film he starred in with Henry Rollins and Kelly McGillis called Morgan’s Ferry. Billy has a real presence on screen and loves working in Australia, so I threw out a ‘Hail-Mary’ and he loved the script!


A few words about the shoot as such, and the on-set atmosphere?


The shoot was hugely ambitious, and I knew that. People throw ‘low budget’ and ‘indie’ around a lot, but this film really was. I’m amazingly proud of what we’ve accomplished given the truly independent, limited resource nature of the film. We got great bang for buck on screen. Our principal shoot was 5 weeks, just to get all the main drama down, but then about every weekend over the next year I would run out with a camera and get pickups to help flesh out the story and action. 

Everyone had a great time on set, but like all films, it was extremely tough. So everyone pitched in. The only way through was forward, so that meant that people had several roles - being an independent film, the lines of segregation weren’t there: We had several people performing multiple roles, and for some people like me, that lasted years!


The $64-question of course, where can your movie be seen?


Blue World Order is OUT NOW in the US! Just released on digital platforms like iTunes, Dish, cable, DVD etc. Go here:


Anything you can tell us about audience and critical reception of Blue World Order?


Blue World Order has done the festival circuit around Europe and the US, winning a bunch of awards. We’ve also had a tour of premiere screenings in Australia. It’s been really well received - especially when the audience realises that even though the film doesn’t take itself too seriously, it touches on some really serious themes. It’s a lot of fun! 

Blue World Order is a little bit like medicine delivered in a sugary pill, in that I wanted to  explore some serious themes whilst wrapping them up in a fun adventure film. I wanted to create two philosophies that, in their own right, are completely legitimate - and yet in this scenario they cannot co-exist.


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I’m putting the finishing touches on Blue World Order the novel. It links in with my series of novels (starting with The Rule of Knowledge - writing as Scott Baker).

I’m also talking with international best-selling author Matthew Reilly about his novel Contest, a great creature feature where eight aliens are locked in a library in a gladiator showdown!


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